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Everybody knows that it was bound to happen. Reddit is hopeless and the blackout on its own won’t do good in the long run.
That’s why I’m trying to kick this out:
If you’re EU you canAll those in EU can ask reddit for the entirety of your data as a GDPR request, much easier than downloading it yourself, especially since some apps have limits to how many posts they can fetch.Asked for mine last week and still hasn’t arrived, but I’ve been an active user for 17 years so yeah, might be taking a while to get those tape backups from the basement or something :P
Poor intern is in the basement writing it all down with a quill and ink. Expect the pony to arrive with your parcel in 10-14 months.
They say it can take up to 30 days, so I think you have a bit more waiting to do :D
No, no. They say it can take up to 30 days, yes.
But that’s not the correct wording. It legally needs to be done under 30 days (well, one calendar month), if you’re a EU citizen.
If they do not, I highly encourage you to contact your country’s data regulator and complain about it.
Oooh, thanks for the clarification! It wasn’t clear to me it was a legal constraint.
I haven’t submit mine yet, I was waiting for the blackout to end, but I’ll sure check my calendar and report to my data regulator if they don’t comply.
p.s. yes I’m a EU citizen
Well, just a heads up, I might have wrote total bullshit (sorry about that!).
I tried to find a reference to the “one calendar month” rule in the EU’s legalese, but I didn’t find anything.
What I found is that depending on your country, the data regulator might require services to give you your data in 30 days or less, but this might not be the case everywhere in the EU. The relevant legal article for this can be found here: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-15-gdpr/
I am not a lawyer anyway, so your best bet would be to message an organization that fights for personal data protection to ask them about your rights in your home country.
Sorry about the confusion once again, as I might have been wrong!
It’s ok :)
I’ll start by sending my request and see if they respond within 30 days, if not, I’ll search my government website to know what to do.
Your post has been useful anyway because it made aware there might be other legal obligations than just sending your data.
I have a feeling they got a massive number of those,ni am one of them as well.
You don’t have to be in the EU to make a GDPR request, right? If I understand correctly, they can’t actually check.
They do know which country you’re from unless you use a VPN all the time, tho I personally wouldn’t lie (fake my IP) for something as serious as this.
They would know what country I’m currently in, but I could still be an EU citizen using a VPN or traveling outside the EU. IANAL, but I’m pretty sure my data would still be protected by GDPR.
Granted, I am not, but the request worked anyway lol
They could check, but that’s more expensive than just compying
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I’m in the US, but thank you.
I’m in the US and I got mine, but it took a couple days. I would imagine they’re quite busy these days servicing those requests.
Same
ok :) editing my comment in case other people are EU .
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For someone who has a really small subreddit, isn’t much of a computer person and mainly uses mobile, how would I go about importing my content here?
I love how you advice to generate gibberish through zompist.com
You are translating all your content into a new conlang!
I PDSed my acc yesterday but i should’ve edited with “We are having issues loading this comment. Please try again later” lmfao
Data/Content/Information now is very important (indispensable). In the Age of Information (Actually to me, the Real Cultural Start of IT upon the advent of Artificial Intelligence AI), keepers (companies of holding) of databases (such as Reddit databases) have finally found the value of it for metabolic profitability (
extreme exploitation) with the help of AI, greatest ever analyses. It will be my best (after nothing happens in Reddit decision) that I will painfully LITERALLY delete all my Reddit posts, comments and even my info about myself (or why not archive on my storage for future migration and then delete on the platform itself) on the day before Reddit make undesirable changes (to not only mods+devs but also the real clients, Reddit users enjoying Reddit), so that they won’t exploit information about me further for their sinister abuse soon probably.
Honestly not too surprising. But good luck moderating the bigger subs without the old volunteers.
It’s an absolute non-starter. The amount of random… I’m a medium fish there and there’s SO MUCH you have to know to mod a sub, plus you’re constantly in PR mode with the users to keep everyone happy and enjoying your work. Communication skills. Bot wrangling and sometimes creation. Automod. Css. Rule modifications. Enforcement and reviewing existing threads for rule violations. PLUS you have to know the existing culture or you’re gonna make everyone mad.
I kinda want to see it. Reddit would explode.
Good summarization. And I am sure it WILL explode if they dont start paying serious mods serious money for something that was done FOR FREE by the community before. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
It’s ironic, too, because their entire refrain is “we’re broke”. Well then. Now you lost most of your big subs and a ton of users AND you’re broke. Guess at least we fixed the bandwidth problem.
Meanwhile it was all over ChatGPT training on their API. You’d think that woulda been step 1 to fix.
Right? I’d have talked to OpenAi and told them the situation. OpenAI can probably afford ANY api fee by now so that would’ve been the most logical first step.
Well whatever, reddit needs me more than I need reddit so I’ll stay here for now. I like it here :)
I’ll like it better here when I can set up all my retro gaming communities again, but yeah. Same as when the twitter thing happened and we went to mastodon. Community is much better for being smaller, and full of the kind of people who seek something like this out.
Be the change you want to see and set it up!
It’s definitely gonna happen. I might end up just setting up a server first and doing it that way, it feels like the easiest way to go about things.
Maybe I’m missing something but is there a reason they couldn’t have started addressing all of this with a terms of service agreement for the API? They demonstrated they can make exceptions for some accessibility apps, so if AI is the issue, then why not focus on that? If they wanted to force ads on apps, they can make that happen as part of the agreement too. As much as people wouldn’t like it, this would still be a better posture than now.
The current situation appears so poorly though out to me, but I’m just a guy.
I agree requring third party apps to contain their ads would have been a WAY better move. It’s funny to me though that Reddit claims to be unprofitable but pulls in $456 million and some change per year. Greedy fuckers
How fucking stupid do they have to be to complain about 3PA not paying their way (BS anyway - the net gain of users using Apollo etc is a win for Reddit) when REDDIT are the ones not serving them up? Then they frame it in a way that sounds like Apollo are taking advantage of them.
Why not include ads in the API responses, tagged as ads, and let the app developers implement a way of showing them. If an individual User pays for Reddit Premium - ads aren’t sent in the API responses.
My leading statement wasn’t a question. Reddit and spez aren’t stupid - they think we are. Fuck them.
Reddit even already treats ads as a post type (hence the karma and comments on ads). All they had to do was say “you must show our ads” and if they caught a major app filtering out ads, block their API keys.
I don’t even think paying an API licensing key is that unreasonable. In fact it’s quite common. But the price they’re asking is completely absurd and doesn’t scale appropriately. They also didn’t give app developers time to assess and discuss the pricing before implementation started.
There were SO MANY ways to handle this better, that would have been more profitable for them, and would have left people feeling more good about that things were being handled in a reasonable way. This decision making process screams of hubris. I’ve said it a couple of places, but it gives the impression that Reddit fundamentally doesn’t understand reddit. Reddit’s greatest value is ease of community creation and curation. Many of the decisions they’ve made since rolling out New Reddit have stood to restrict and inhibit this core interaction.
I genuinely wonder how Spez et al view reddit. What do they think the point is? What do they think people are there for?
I was the ultimate freeloader/user. I used reddit nearly everyday for 13 years, never once bought premium or any reddit gold or any sort of rewards and blocked every ad.
They definately could have forced me to pay a subscription or something somehow without just completely shuting down how I browse the site.
It’s so utterly bizarre and stupid.
It’s just corporate accounting. They’re profitable but they essentially cook the books to get the tax benefits of being “unprofitable”. This is why amazon is still occasionally “unprofitable” even though they’re growing year over year. You can’t just keep taking out loans to buy and build new warehouses if you’re actually unprofitable.
Huffman is just a greedy piece of shit. He, himself, made a comment when talking about Apollo that implied this developer is sitting on millions and he deserves a cut of it. API calls in terms of cost to the company cost fractions of a penny and plenty of large companies make money off their API. They could charge the base cost and add 10% for the profit. The problem is a realistic and reasonable cost for reddit’s API would probably cost the apollo dev maybe a few grand a year. Like I said above, Huffman thinks there’s a lot more money to wrangle out of developers there, but I’d bet the apollo dev was barely making a fraction of a percent on Huffman’s net worth.
I was invited to become a mod on r/daystrominstitute a few years ago and within about a month realized that I didn’t have the time or emotional capital to invest in that job. It’s challenging, especially in a sub like that where there are pretty serious rules governing discussion and it burned me out really fast. The people who do it (well) have a passion for it; plucking some rando to be a head mod is going to kill a sub.
the thing is – none of that needs to exist! this is why reddit started to get so shitty, no one can keep it all straight; it’s simply too much considering how meaningless all the stakes are. i as a user never asked for constant review of threads for rule violations nor gave a shit about css or anything.
TBF a lot of the backlash against the protest on reddit also boils down to “it doesn’t matter to me, so it’s not needed”. Fact is if moderation is done right you don’t notice it. I add new t-shirt bot spam sites to auto-mod the second I come across them, for example, so they only ever get posted once.
Reddit has had css since before the Digg migration.
The “backlash” is from the users who want no moderation so they can say whatever shit they want with no repercussions, and those are the ones who will be the most active once the mods leave and the decent people after when the assholes chase them off. Not a good way to attract advertisers.
as a user never asked for constant review of threads for rule violations
You might not, but us very satisfied users of the shining beacon of magnificience in reddit’s cesspool, /r/AskHistorians, did and that was (is?) a model of the contribution to civilisation and human knowledge can be made in a well regulated space on the internet. But those very erudite and busy professionals and scientists moderating there will in all likelyhood throw in the towel and I am afraid anything that comes in its place in another medium would stuggle to reach the same level.
If you want to see what a forum site looks like without any of that stuff, look at 8kun/8chan. I don’t think you realize how unusably terrible reddit would be without mods.
Looks like reddit is about to hire 1000 unpaid interns
Interns using chatgpt, we’re gonna see such a firehose of shit
Imagine the seo blogspam grade comment threads it will turn into
Is it just me or is this going directly against what Reddit once aimed to be?
This is why they need to link an alternative like Lemmy and encourage to share it around.
Reddit doesn’t disallow mods from posting “Join us on Discord” and this will create a slow and steady move to a new platform.
I’ve been posting about lemmy in r/modtools and a couple of the niche subreddits I follow that didn’t shut down. I’ll be sticking with lemmy no matter what happens over at reddit, the people in charge over there have shown utter contempt for the users and moderators.
Sadly, many people I have recommended it to have acted like it was the most difficult thing in the world to understand. The initial learning curve really wasn’t that bad, IMO but it seems like a lot of people want to be spoon fed.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not that bad, just that it’s harder than staying on reddit.
It may or may not take off to the point of replacing reddit, but I think the exodus if people now and especially after the end of the month will lead to it having at least the same amount of users as Mastodon. Maybe more, since the average reddit user is probably more tech-savvy and more willing to migrate to a different platform than the average Twitter user (since they follow subreddits rather than individual users). And a roughly Mastodon sized lemmy is more than usable to replace reddit imo
Do you know what the user population of mastadon was before and after Elon’s takeover?
Do you know what the user population of mastadon was before and after Elon’s takeover?
Before Elon, it was about half an million, now it’s about 4.5 million, though about a million of the new users made an account and then immediately went back to Twitter, so it’s more like 3.5 million
Still, nothing to sneeze at. Glad reddit is going through the same thing right now. If peertube or whatever other YouTube fedi analogue takes off I think we could see federation of social media take off and really become its own bubble.
I’ve been considering recommending this to a few friends, but I’m worried about a response like this. I definitely recognize there’s a learning curve, and I’m still picking up a lot just a few days in, but man it took me maybe 15 -20 minutes max to figure out enough to sign up to an instance, find some communities, and post (I think all those words are right…).
I think that anyone who’s been around reddit long enough knew this was coming. Reddit isn’t a free and open platform, and never was. The admins allowed moderators free reign just so long as they didn’t do anything that reddit didn’t want.
This wouldn’t be a proper Reddit replacement if an anonymous user didn’t take the time out of his day to type that “free rein” was the correct spelling here
Well damnit you are right - in both that it’s not proper reddit replacement without grammar nazis, and that “free rein” is the usual term. It could be argued that reign also works in this case because some moderators seemed to be under the impression that they were unchallenged kings within their subreddit kingdoms.
It is?? I’ve been typing it wrong my whole life.
I’m still writing ‘reign’ though.
I think “reign” is like “rule”. - A king reigns over his people.
“Rein” is the thing that horse cart drivers use to control the horses. So the rope that goes from horses mouth to drivers hand. You can either “rein (in) the horses” for them to do something, or you can let them “free rein”, meaning they can run as they please.
I always imagined it like a king being able to freely reign over his people - so that he can freely do whatever he wants in terms of governing them.
well that interpretation certainly works here as well :)
Then free reign could also be an eggcorn.
Til what an eggcorn is. Yeah, absolutely.
Same, but I’m happy to know the correct term.
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Additional additional context: The absentee head mod (legweed) returned a week before the protests and made a thread for all the mods of the sub to discuss whether to do a blackout. Basically nobody else meaningfully interacted except for the a single mod who was vehemently against it (CedarWolf), the same mod that was promoted by the admins.
The users of the sub overwhelmingly supported the blackout, but CedarWolf was involved in mass comment/post removals and bannings of pro-blackout content in the leadup. This included mod convo posts literally saying the community can’t make the decision for themselves and that they (CedarWolf) know what’s best for the community. At the same time legweed was trying to get other mods opinions but nobody actually responded until legweed make a stickied post to engage the community. This upset CedarWolf as he’d been spending most of his time suppressing those same conversations from happening.
I’m not saying an absentee mod should be able to show up an unilaterally private a sub, but in this case they were showing up to engage the community and the community was the one who asked to have it privated. None of the other mods really cared enough to argue, the one anti-blackout person was basically alone in their opinion and is equally responsible for a unilateral decision, except that one went against the community wishes.
Sure legweed was an absentee head mod, but CedarWolf wasn’t just active, he’s terminally online and has a really nasty superiority complex. I don’t think either is really head mod material but one sided with the admins and now they have the unilateral control they had already tried to exercise prior.
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Unsurprising that some power tripping mods aren’t willing to give up their little fiefdom
I’m not going to miss all this mod drama. Imagine being so wrapped up in your own bullshit, that you lose sight of the fact that you are a volunteer for a multi billion dollar capitalized organization, that has just a few guys literally about to cash out with billions here shortly. And it’s all on your back. Like what kind of muppet loser gets this drawn into dramatical bullshit like this?
The whole reddit thing was always going to disolve into an inevitable death spiral of horseshit, it’s only due to the honest to goodness mods trying to be good souls, that they were able to stave it off this long. The world’s just become too fucked up of a place when we are all connected like this, especially with the events of the last few years. Then you throw a few capitalists into the room, hoo boy.
The only way this Lemmy thing works out, is if it’s well moderated (ie keep the spam and the actual bullshit off, otherwise fuck off with all the weird incel angsty drama), and if we can somehow keep the fat cats away from it. The whole federated thing is pretty genius, and is probably the best solution we are going to be able to manage to come up with at this time, as a firewall for that sorta stuff. I’m really excited to see where it goes from here.
This is certainly a different story, but still, admin taking action here is not super common.
Perhaps we should start a new post with this new information to discuss?
I don’t really know it’s worth a new post, because I don’t think this information really changes what we will see happen, which is realistically three things:
- Subs that didn’t commit to an indefinite protest are already coming back online, like /r/technology. Admins will be happy with that and do nothing.
- Subs that did commit to an indefinite protest but didn’t do so unanimously will have lower mods reach out to Admins to get higher mods removed, and open the subs back up. This is what happened with Advice Animals.
- Subs that did commit to an indefinite protest and did do so unanimously will have old mod teams removed and new mod teams put in. If they do this, they will probably do it later, and while there may be some uproar, anybody who really cares about this by then will probably have already left reddit.
The fact that it was not super common previously doesn’t mean it won’t become more common, especially as precedent was set year ago.
Well, I say that because each of those three situations is different. 1 does not add to the scumminess. 2 is borderline, but if mods are fighting over this, it does make sense for admins to step in. They are the only one with the power to settle that. But 3… that’s just absolute scum.
The added info moved the advice animals case from 3 to 2 for me, and changes the situation. Have we seen 3 happen yet? I do expect it will happen, but has it happened?
Your diligence is appreciated!!
We can only hope reddit dissappoints their moderators so much they’d rather moderate lemmy communities :)
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Fuck Steve Huffman
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u/spez will be gone soon. Remember his name: Steve Huffman.
Also remember that he used to moderate r/jailbait.
Saw this coming the moment the blackouts were being planned
It isn’t surprising at all, it’s about hard money not about communities and fuzzy warm feelings. It seems everyone is working hard down at Reddit to make as much money as they can out of an IPO for a zombified carcass.
Holy shit the amount of bootlickers in that comment thread makes me so happy to leave that place
Yeah, I’m a mod for a few subs that total about 800k people. 99% of them have been really nice, but dude. The ones who aren’t REALLY aren’t. You’d think I molested their cat or something, when in reality I let the users bring it up, then vote on it, then vote AGAIN to stay closed. It was overwhelming in all cases that we do this.
Sorry I listened to my users I guess, should I be like Spez and just do what I want? If so, it’s closing anyway. Oops.
I’ll watch spez digg this grave. I’m not shocked, we have all seen it happen before.
This place feels real, and personally that’s all that matters. Reddit has been plastic for a while now. I’m happy to watch the ceo handle it like such a stooge, it almost seems like he wants to tank the company before tencent eats it all up.
I’m with you! Also digg, nice one!
Maybe he is in bed with Elon musk, trying to tank the initial price of the stocks so musk can buy the majority of reddit as well…
The way things are going R*ddit is going to become what Digg is today - a minimalist editor run link agreggator
lfg
lmao, good fuckin luck replacing dedicated volunteers with one or two shitty ones obsessed with power
Don’t worry, the mods will be paid now. Just by the NRA, Walmart and Russia.
Reddit is about to be run entirely by shills who will hop into mod spots.
I don’t think it’ll be that simple
There are sooooo many fuckin subs, and while I know there are small handfuls that oversee dozens and dozens, the niche ones that really help user retention will suffer.
Like, it’s not the huge million+ subs that I’m missing, it’s the smaller localized fandoms and obscure memory subs that I’m really missing.
But quality will slip. You can’t just substitute care, concern, and domain knowledge that built a community for some rando. The pillars of the communities are moving on and going elsewhere.
People all over reddit have been bitching about supermods and the concentration of power forever. This is what reddit wants, this is the way they become filled with qultists. Easily manipulated, stupid, profitable, and valuable to the next billionaire who wants their own media outlet.
