• Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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    6 hours ago

    This is why driverless cars are a bad idea, they assume that everything will work as intended and everyone will play by the rules.

    You need a human to make a snap decision in cases like these.

    I hope these men are arrested for sexual solicitation via coercion (could be tried as attempted rape in the right state), disrupting traffic, sexual harassment, public disturbance. Fuck em, or better yet, don’t fuck em, they’re unfuck worthy.

    What were these morons thinking? I’m sex positive as hell, I’m all for bringing back the free love of the 70’s and the LSD of the 60’s, but not like this, never anything like this… Hypothetically bro say you do get her number this way?

    The fuck happens next?

    “Hey remember me, I’m the dipshit who pressured you into giving me this number by trapping you in your car via exploitation of its safety features? So I’ll pick you up at 7 for a romantic candlelit dinner and afterwards we could go see a movi…” click “Hello? Damn, friendzoned again.”

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      9 minutes ago

      Let’s not go too far overboard. These guys are assholes who deserve some consequences. However the article didn’t include anything that looked like attempted rape, nothing violent, no direct threat of harm (indirect, maybe). Let’s try to be proportional here

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    11 hours ago

    There’s enough footage etc I guess for them to be identified and arrested, wonder if that’s happening

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      6 hours ago

      Depending on where this happened this could be tried as sexual assault.

      Not something you want on your criminal record.

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        Because that question was/is blatantly sexist.

        Or also put forth the idea that all men, and all would be men, are dangerous predators, for no other reason than being a man. And that’s dangerous thinking.

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          The question isn’t sexist, it’s emotionally driven, and dismissing it outright is narrow minded. That is what I think is dangerous.

          The truth is the question reveals that to most women asked the question, men are unpredictable, and women have to navigate the world that way.

          A bear is a bear, it’s always going to do what it does, and you can work around that. Leave it alone and it will leave you alone, even if you have to work hard to avoid it. If you disturb it, it will kill you. It’s predictable.

          Men on the other hand are very likely to respect women, maybe even work together. However, there is the small, small, SMALL chance that they will be a terrible person. They could attack, abuse, sexually assault, straight up rape, or even kill the woman; or they could do a disgusting combination of those.

          The true root of the question isn’t “do you think a random man is more dangerous than a wild animal?” Of course not.

          The real question being put on a social scale is “what’s more predictably dangerous, a random man, or a wild animal?” And the fact that women almost unanimously have the same answer should be commentary enough on how they have to live their lives.

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    23 hours ago

    I can see criminals easily exploiting this default behavior to stop the car and steal from those inside.

    Where’s a Johnny cab when you need it, it knows how to deal with criminals.

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      My car isn’t driverless, but I as the driver have less control than ever before.

      It’s an EV, and it will not shift to drive or reverse if the charging cable is attached.

      Great for preventing me from destroying a charger. Terrible for getting away from someone trying to mug me.

      Far too much of the safety features these days assume an environment in which all harm is accidental. This comes at the cost of safety in environments where someone is trying to harm another person.

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        This is the seatbelt argument all over again. The safety features protect people in the majority of scenarios. While there may be scenarios where it does more harm than good, they are rare. You’re much safer with the safety feature.

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        You don’t complain about having to open your door or start the engine when escaping a threat.

        Having to unplug a cable during a very specific, imagined threat seems like a niche problem.

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          The difference being that not being able to start the motor with the door open is only a problem if the driver was being attacked in a parking lot.

          It’s not too big of a leap to imagine a world where a person could immobilize a car at a red light with the plug cut off from a public charger. Wall up to a stopped car, open the hatch (maybe it needs a pry bar) and put the dummy plug in. Now the car is immobilized. Smash the driver side window and they’re in business.

          Sure, there are some safeguards that can be added like requiring a current to immobilize the vehicle, but it’s far from the simplest or safest answer. Car manufacturers need to stop putting in hard limits and just use alarms instead. I bought a new Subaru that has collision detection standard. The hedge next to my driveway was overgrown, but I drove right through it. The car sounded an alarm and flashed a bunch of lights, but it didn’t engage the brakes, I was able to blast through an obstacle that I knew was minor even though the car thought it was a threat. If a manufacturer feels compelled to add a safety system, it’s possible to do so without taking control away from the driver.

          • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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            It’s not too big of a leap to imagine a world where a person could immobilize a car at a red light with the plug cut off from a public charger. Wall up to a stopped car, open the hatch (maybe it needs a pry bar) and put the dummy plug in.

            Sounds like a lot of hassle. If they want to immoblise a self driving car they just stand in front of it.

            Why carry a plug cut off from a public charger when you can just stab the tyres?

            Use the pry bar to smash the window and open the door. Not open the charging port.

    • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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      I doubt choosing to stick up a vehicle covered in cameras with someone who likely isn’t even carrying cash is anyone’s idea of a good payoff.

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        idk i think plenty of people carry expensive stuff on them

        what a thief could actually get for them is another matter but clearly that doesnt stop them from trying

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          The doors aren’t going to open from the outside, and authorities would be alerted immediately. Breaking the glass on a car window or holding people up at gun point… Yeah. Easier in the parking lot of any gas station, grocery store, neighborhood, Walmart, Mall, Jewelry store, movie theater. Wherever really. The people can get out of the car in an emergency just like any other car. Running someone down with a car is not the answer to many situations.

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            Affluent people taking a driverless car from the shopping district would absolutely be targets.

            Put yourself in a drug addicts shoes, or just a thief’s shoes. How would you make this work?

            It doesnt take much creativity, and the people who would do this type of thing are not known to be short on creativity.

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      Thank God for cars. Imagine riding public transport and getting felt up/robbed/harassed. Glad we can all agree on this Lemmy 👍

      Obviously this is the worst of both worlds, but it’s a weird flex to support cars.

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        In public the group of people watching and in close proximity prevents a lot of crime. Criminals feel shame too and at the very least want to prolong their ability to continue to make money how they do.

        A single person in a car is vulnerable simply because they are alone. They think the car protects them but its trivial to smash a window and pull someone out.

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        Oops now everyone got guns and you get killed by some random. I’m sure judge dredd will save you. Try being more violent, violence solves all problem. It’s self defense that mean it’s right. Always remember, dead bodies tell no tales. Aim for the center of mass and always empty the mag to make sure there is only your side of the story left.