P2P vs hosting…
Right, so many sites try their hardest to have every thing hosted on their own platform, then they put stupid High restrictions on what you can actually do with the content because of the fact that they’re now having everything on their own host. Switching from peer to peer to Cloud hosted was in my opinion the beginning of the downfall for Skype. It removed a lot of its permissions that you could give on the platform, it broke compatibility of the Unix Community which took them two and a half years to finally fix, and it actually butchered their reliability
Fusion 360: we have unnecessarily decided to force you to use the cloud for this product
Also Fusion 360: *Noooo all you free users are using up too much of our server space, you will have to pay.
Here is an idea, let me run it on my PC and it won’t use any of your servers
laughs in telegram
Gotta use a zero-knowledge VPN for all P2P transfers.
Check out croc.
Recently I wanted to transfer one 20GB file to my brother and I ended up using FileZilla.
But before that I tried some quick effortless solutions (like opening Skype/Teams and using that) and I failed.
I miss opening the IM app and quickly transfer something.
Bro fuck discord
This was because Skype’s file transfer was Peer-to-peer, so it wasn’t Skype itself hosting the files. While discord is actually hosting the files, which is much more costly.
Well discord could offer P2P option with no limit…
But then they can’t force you to get Discord Nitro.
This could be a nitro feature though
But discord supports sending messages to people who are offline. It kind of breaks the paradigm if certain features require full synchronous communication. Maybe supporting p2p transfers during a video / voice chat would work though.
It kind of breaks the paradigm if certain features require full synchronous communication.
you mean like voice/video chat?
You say it as if not allowing people to send large files at all is somehow better than only allowing it sometimes.
Check out croc, a slick little tool to allow you to send files from one computer to another. No port forwarding, encryption built in.
I hate discord now. It’s worse than reddit
They also went to the deep end trying to make profits. Discord has a bloated interface and tries to shove their subscription up your face every chance they can.
Try my ad block list: https://github.com/synthead/discord-adfree
Couldn’t agree more 👍
Honestly, not having ads and being very usable for free, Discord is still pretty good IMO
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Not having ads? Lmao what? It literally spams you to buy nitro every chance it gets & it’s not exactly free- they harvest quite literally every single drop of information they possibly can about you.
Huh, I haven’t heard about Discord harvesting data yet. Got something specific to read about that?
Bro… look in the settings, they literally give you a button to request your collected data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHTR0-_eHto , here’s a video about it if you really need it.
So, basically, payment information and analytics, the latter of which you can disable. Everything else is the data that Discord is meant to store (as in messages, settings, all the other stuff I expect it to display back to me in the app). I mean, it could store less, but overall it doesn’t seem that bad?
If you boil down every single aspect of information they possibly can gather on you to “analytics”- sure, however Discord got rid of the functionality to disable analytic data collection years ago iirc, and the button to ‘delete my information’ was removed around the same time- and replaced with the ‘request my data’ button.
But you should also know if you install it, it’s been claimed (I’m too lazy to look it up, I just know that I’ve read/watched a video about it years ago) that it collects data on what you do across your entire pc, to at least the same extent that microsoft’s default telemetry does. This is due to them monitoring your pc at all times so it can integrate with whatever game you are playing- of course.
Discord app is same level of shit like reddit app and has no third party clients(they too fucks api)
Still there is a mod called aliucord
It’s also not a forum
That’s an astute observation Watson. Hur dur
I only had to read two of your comments to know I never want to read another one again.
Time to look for that block user option.
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Two is all it takes for you, huh.
I look at it like this: I’ve seen, heard and read enough shit in my 48 years to know when I’m better off without certain types of people. So I block them. I’ll never have to read a comment and see that username again and go, “oh, this fucker again… ugh”
In no way do I suffer from this approach and lose out on some enlightenment or critical information.its a win, win.
Worst case scenario is I blocked a decent person, but I’ll never know and it still won’t make my life any less fulfilling.
And for the record, I dont spend my days blocking people. Maybe four to six people a month (on Reddit), probably far less here, because most users seem decently grounded in comparison, with far less emotional issues.
But fuck yeah, I do love the block function when someone gives me that bad energy moment. It’s liberating.
You speak true, I can agree to this outlook.
The fucking bane of my existence I swear, all my homies hate filesize limits.
Fortunately we have a few options, some better than others, and if it helps one person Imma talk about it now.
Magic-wormhole: My favorite, CLI client that shares files from your computer to a server to be downloaded with a password you send through your normal means of communication. No filesize limit, files stay on the server for 1h unless downloaded (deleted after download.) For sensitive information I would PGP it before I upload but I have trust issues.
Warp: Magic wormhole, but GUI. Second favorite, only because I love my terminal so much. It’s literally just a GUI wrapper for magic wormhole though so no complaints from me. Works on windows too iirc, and the android wrapper for it is called just “wormhole” alone, no “magic.”
Onionshare: Sends files directly from your pc to theirs, works through Tor. I have gotten it to work before, but sometimes it hates me and refuses to connect, usually when I try to DL from mobile.
Soulseek: Not exactly private, but it works if you can forward a port. If you need privacy you’ll have to mark the files as private, probably name them something nondescript like “file1,” and set it so only your trusted buddies can download it, then whitelist the buddy you want to share it with for that time (would have to remove trust for buddies by default, only enabling the ones for the current file to be shared, then swap that again next time. Like I said it “works” but it’s far from ideal. Would also PGP them files to be safe.)
Torrents: well we all know this one, it’s the classic!
I’m probably forgetting some/don’t know some, so anyone else feel free to add!
The classic would probably be plain old FTP, but SFTP/SCP/SSH works fine as well.
When I need to share files to newbs I usually just use a small Node script to host an HTTPS server from terminal, and give them a file link
skype probably didn’t save a copy of all your files forever, discord has to save a copy for the government!
Original Skype was mine blowing at the time because it was able to send files peer to peer even when people were behind firewalls. Peer to peer file transfers were the norm at the time, but when both parties were behind firewall file transfers wouldn’t work, obviously. Skype used different hacks like UDP punch to establish P2P connection and if everything failed then it would fall back to proxying.
Skype was wild with how aggressively it tried to create a direct connection. I love it for its tenacity but it would do things like open up listening sockets on common server ports (so it would conflict with e.g. a webserver) which drove me nuts at the time
How is udp a hack?
UDP hole punching could be regarded as a clever “hack”
For what it’s worth at least they raised the limit to 25 megs. Still sucks though.
Skype was mostly p2p so it enabled a lot more free functionality. Discord runs everything through its servers.
Almost as though it would be better if it didn’t
P2P exposes your IP to those you need to connect to. So if you’re a streamer or something - share a file and you dox yourself. It also means if you’re offline you can’t send the file.
It’s just not practical over remotely hosted for it to be the default. There’s other apps you can download if you still want to use P2P
Pros and cons.
The experience is way more consistent in a centralized service. In Skype, sometimes your messages took ages to send and the call quality was horrible.
In turn, on a centralized service, they have limits, monetization, and they can sell your data.
“Hello, File Seller, I am going into uploading and need your strongest files”. “My files are too powerful for you, traveller”.
You cannot handle my files traveller!
Skype and aim could transfer even more than that, skype can still do way more than 2GB
25Mega Bites now
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Back in 2010 my best friend at the time sent me an entire pirated copy of need for speed most wanted in a zip file through Skype. It took the entire day for it to send and then it took my weak ass computer until I woke up the next morning to unzip the folder the game was on. I remember waking up and being overjoyed that it was at 97% completion. I only had to wait another few minutes for it to finish.
I still have that exe to this day. It’s basically impossible to play the game otherwise. I actually store the exe on my phone since it has so much storage and it’s easy to move it over thanks to USB 3.0 and higher. I do that with a lot of games actually.
