Matrix is awful, sorry. I tried using it for like a year, but it kept randomly encrypting things and not letting ppl see messages, or worse, kicking them out of the chat

They killed for their skins. It’s not a “by-product” which would be thrown away otherwise

https://twitter.com/matthewhayek/status/1646145797698756610?t=AL_msrN0woNtB7gqF_pv7A&s=19

They’re not a byproduct. Their sale directly supports the deforestation of the Amazon

https://twitter.com/matthewhayek/status/1646145797698756610?t=AL_msrN0woNtB7gqF_pv7A&s=19

Leather made from animal flesh is far worse for the planet than pleather, but if you’re really worried, you could just forgo both

https://twitter.com/jan_dutkiewicz/status/1645867376381169665?t=w7mjq-VuWZB6TAudzs7A9g&s=19

You can turn off the ability to see NSFW posts in your profile. It’s not ideal since some NSFW isn’t porn, but I’d rather miss a handful of things than spend all day blocking porn and fetish subs

Also, pick one

I don’t think “human supremacists” […] are going to love a vegan who tries to placate us

There are basically three categories of people when it comes to interacting with vegans. Vegans, people who rabidly hate all vegans, and people like myself who mostly don’t give a shit until you start getting preachy about shit we don’t care about.

The third category you listed is you declaring you’ll only tolerate vegans who try to placate you. Anti-vegans and carnists who come into vegan spaces to call us “stupid” for caring about nonhumans are the same people. You’re a typical fascist, blaming animal activists for your own choice to come here and disparage us.

Vegans, this is what I mean when I say staying silent in the face of injustice only flatters power. Carnists will do their utmost to stimatize those who speak out about the harm they’re causing. This user claims they don’t “love” pick-me’s who placate them, but at the same time, they’re scolding any vegan who isn’t silent as “preachy about shit we don’t care about.” The only way a vegan can satisfy an animal fascist is to erase themselves and the plight of nonhumans completely. Nonhumans deserve better than that

Do you think cows consent to humans doing things like this

Do you think cows consent to humans shoving their entire arm up the cow’s vagina to artificially inseminate them and then steal their baby?

Do you think cows consent to having their udders fondled by humans and strapped into painful milking machines?

You support rape. Rape apologists get no say on what is or isn’t misogynistic

Personhood is political. You choose not to extend it to nonhumans for political reasons, namely you profit from human supremacy and don’t want to change the system in which you benefit from nonhumans being chattel property, doing slave labor for you, getting raped and murdered so you can have treats, forced to bend to the will of their human oppressors for your entertainment.

It’s plant based capitalism.

Tyson hopes to undercut the vegan market that already exists by making sure that money goes to them and not to vegan companies. That money will be and has been used to continue their core business of hurting animals. It’s portfolio diversification with the end goal of killing smaller companies and achieving monopoly in their sector. They don’t care about animals, they care about profits.

Tyson as a company also lobbies for ag-gag laws that aim to turn vegan activists into criminals and felons and keep the world from seeing what they (Tyson) do to animals and the environment. When you buy from them, they take that money and use it to fund anti-vegan and anti-environment legislation (not to mention anti-welfare legislation for their victims)

Not a surprise that a human supremacist like you thinks it’s okay to rape and murder non-human people simply for flavor and pleasure. It’s literally in the name

Edit: but for real like imagine thinking this is a good comeback at all. You’re literally doing the meme I just posted

people like myself who mostly don’t give a shit until you start getting preachy about shit we don’t care about. I’m aware cows are fairly intelligent. I will keep eating them because they taste good

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Newsflash, Bill Cosby, defending rape and murder isn’t polite. Yes, I’m a vegan in the vegan comm, and I’m not afraid to have the opinion that hurting animals is wrong and animal fascists shouldn’t come here without at least being asked to stop harming animals.

Hilarious that you came here to lecture me bc to you the real problem isn’t hurting animals, it’s linking Dairy is Scary and then asking someone to stop supporting and defending the things in that video. In your mind, that makes me the problematic one.

I don’t take advice from animal fash, and I certainly don’t take advice from Bill Cosby

Actually, they’ve been attacking me and vegans who care about animal liberation, but that’s invisible to you. I haven’t been attacking anyone, just accurately describing that they’re harming others and politely asking them to choose not to harm others. You don’t care bc you sympathize with the oppressor

Edit: the only way to be “nice” to a carnist is to appease them and say what they’re doing is fine, which it isn’t, that animals don’t matter enough to hurry up and stop killing them now, which they definitely do. The only way to be “nice” to carnists is to side with people doing harm, minimizing that harm, and saying vegans who aren’t okay with animal murder are mean jerks, which we aren’t. That’s what all the pick-me’s are doing here, blowing hot air about how mean it is to be against literal actually rape and murder of the most oppressed class. I get this lecture every single time. It doesn’t matter how nice I am, doesn’t matter how I say it. Any pushback against the oppressive status quo is going to result in a lecture, bc ppl find it inherently mean to ask ppl to stop harming others if that harm is normalized.

You should have learned from Bill Cosby that respectability politics don’t work. But you’re not interested in solidarity or activism that works. You just don’t wanna be stigmatized and pilloried as one of “those” vegans, you know, that ones that actually disrupt a harmful status quo, the ones that get lectured by cowards for not appeasing human supremacy, the ones who are always sorry and quiet for the terrible crime of how not hurting others challenges those who do.

“insufferable” “lashing out” lmao

My tone is fine. You’re reading shit into it that isn’t there because anything that challenges the status quo makes you uncomfy.

It isn’t nice to tell carnists to stop harming others, I get it

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This is a lie. Vegans don’t practice animal abuse. You’ve created a comm where products that come from animal abuse are specially protected and where teaching people that these products come from animal abuse isn’t allowed. The difference in our practice is stark.

Veganism isn’t a diet. You openly support and protect animal abuse in your comm.

It’s silly to act like I’m baselessly accusing you. You know that milk comes from raping cows, stealing and slaughtering their babies so the babies can’t drink the milk, then slaughtering the mother at a fraction of her life when she’s no longer productive. You know this because I showed you. And yet, you discourage people from talking about this by tarring those who care as mean and unreasonable. Well, I think it’s mean and unreasonable to enslave, rape, and murder other oppressed people on the basis of their species and ability.

If you don’t know, chickens are bred to grow unnaturally fast, so much so that they often break their legs under their own weight. They’re bred to lay a damaging and painful amount of eggs. Laying hens are separated from male chicks and the male chicks are all murdered in horrendous ways, such as maceration (put in a grinder), or thrown into plastic bags and suffocated under the weight of thousands of other tiny, helpless newborn chicks. Now you know, if you didn’t before. You can look it up and see for yourself. You can choose not to pay for this. You can choose not to make a space that protects people who choose to harm countless sentient beings in this way. You can fill your comm with this information and save lives. You can stop scolding people who speak up on behalf of the trillions of animals caught up in our violent, oppressive carnist system, and start speaking up for the silenced as well.

But that would require you actually caring about non-human animals

Is it harsh to tell a man who beats his wife that his wife gets hurt when he beats her and he ought to stop? Is it mean? Tell me the gymnastics you have to go through to think it’s mean to tell somehow who is knowingly harming others that it’s not okay and unacceptable

Edit: The reason speciesists hate vegans is the same reason that misogynists hate feminists. It makes sense that oppressors hate those who speak up on behalf of those they oppress, but it’s not right, and it’s weird that you think it is

You think it’s okay to rape cows and macerate chicks. You know these things happen in the industry because I showed you, but you don’t care. Your comm explicitly prohibits talking about where eggs and milk come from, because you know their provenance isn’t nice, but you don’t care. It’s not mean to point this out. What’s mean is hurting animals, a thing you knowingly choose to do and could choose not to do. You can stop hurting animals, so why don’t you?