I loved Reddit for what it is, but nothing made me back out of a post faster than seeing the top 3 parent threads as a regurgitation of the same inside jokes, pun-chains, and so on.
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Unfortunately it’s just something I think we’re going to have to deal with no matter where you go. Even forums with higher quality users still have lame jokes and puns thrown around.
As a Rexxitor, I second this entirely.
So you’re saying we should encourage people to not comment and participate because you personally don’t enjoy something?
I know I’m being a bit over the top with the wording there but lets really think about it for a moment. Participation is engagement. And if we want Lemmy and by extension Lemmy.World to grow its what we need.
I upvoted you. Its a valid discussion to have. I just personally don’t think its something we should be worried about in general.
Let Lemmy grow. Growth and low effort pun threads is not what killed reddit. Corporate interference and shit stirring controversy spewing algorithms in the name of “user engagement” is what drove reddit down the drain.
This right here. Puns aren’t what was bad, it was the endless doomscrolling habit and continuous outrage going on that was. All the Rexxitors are going to see a serious uptick in their mental health. The puns were a coping mechanism, I think here that defensive reaction will be minimized.
No the endlessly repetitive puns were bad. They weren’t the only things, but they were absolutely bad.
Exactly. Like, I get that people want to have fun and all and I’m all for it even if it’s not my thing, but any relevant discussion was constantly drowned out by the pun chains and copypasted shit to the point that it was fairly obviously often just bots, but as long as a few people have their fun fuck the discussion right? Right… but I/you/we gotta be less cynical, as was said above the lemmy algo is apparently better with this stuff. So I’m at least going to try to be a little hopeful.
Yea the main reason I hated it was because I had to fuckin dig through a thread if I wanted to find a serious comment about whatever was posted. It wasn’t so much that low effort puns and shit were common, it was that they drowned almost everything else out in a lot of subs. Like even /r/science was turning into a memefest at the end.
I guess we’ll see how things develope here
exactly
Glad to see one of the first posts I see on here is whining about how other people post. Starting to feel like home already.
Just need the people complaining about people complaining post followed by a rule baning complaining about people. Then we can get the golden meta post of complaining about the rule stopping you from complaining about people.
Don’t expect human nature to change just because some ceo of a different company decided to be a greedy dick, honestly
This is the way
To shreds you say, tsk tsk tsk. Well, how’s his wife holding up?
Ahh, the old lemmyroo…
Hold my nonexistent wedding ring, I’m going in
I also choose this guy’s nonexistent wife.
Me too thanks
This
Hold my overused pun, I’m going in!
Lemmy sorts comments differently from reddit. Lemmy’s documentation page about their algorithm describes reddit’s algorithm as one that,
rewards comments that are repetitive and spammy.
It’s an issue the developers claim to have a solution for.
I have no problem with jokes and comment chains. People should have their fun. But, I deleted my reddit account in frustration years ago. Reddit ranks the jokes higher than relevant discussion.
I’m cautiously optimistic. Lemmy is likely to be less prone to this particular problem.
Wow, that’s a clever little algorithm. It feels like it could work better.
Reddit’s big problem (among many) was you had to get in early on a thread to contribute. Otherwise you could be so far at the bottom you might as well have sent your reply to the bit bucket.
lemmy’s algo seems in theory to work better, but we’ll only know when the userbase here gets large enough.
On reddit, once a thread got past 300+ comments, the only way to get any views on your comment was to post it as a nested comment in a top-level comment.
lol, I realized the same thing and gamed that broken system more than once.
most power users realised that, i think. and that’s what led to the pun chains.
I feel like there is a potential but minor problem with Lemmy’s algorithm. It favors new comments but what if the post itself is asking a question with a definitive answer? The best answers might get buried by side discussion as time goes on.
I think as time goes on, I’d assume the recency boost would subside and the upvotes for the definitive answers should float back to the top.
Also, length is probably favoured as well, since so many top content isn’t just 3 words.
Yeah those are just circle-jerky and don’t add to any meaningful discussion.
I’ve been hoping most of those users are only here temporarily following the bandwagon/circle-jerking, and that they go back to reddit for the comments of nothing but lame puns and off-topic jokes.
I was really hoping to escape that migrating here. The comments of nearly every reddit thread just devolves into r/funny or r/adviceanimals. Distinct subreddits mean less and less, and off-topic content is upvoted in every sub just because it illicits a cheap laugh.
Reddit is less and less a place for substantive discussion and more just a dumping grounds of repetitive lame jokes. I really hope the children stay on reddit…
Lemmy reminds me of old school BBS where actual discussion happened. I know it’s been a shift for me where I actually have to think about a response and hold a discussion instead of just following the patterns. Not that I don’t appreciate rote comments, it’s nice to expect a joke and have that delivered on. Not every thread though.
I think it’s natural to want the majority of posts to meet one’s preferences but what one finds interesting/entertaining/etc. varies for each person.
I love diversity and choice and so I’m happy that each community can have their own individual rules/cultures and we can pick which communities we want to join. E.g., I wouldn’t expect the same behaviour/rules/culture in a shit posting community compared to an arch linux community, but I’m glad both types of communities and content will exist.
We can collectively choose what kinds of unique cakes to bake and we can choose which cakes to eat too. :D
Sounds like a good AI feature for a Lemmy client app. “✅ I don’t want to see comments that only contain a pun.”
this was something I loved about slashdot moderation. When voting, people had to specify the reason for the vote. +1 funny, +1 insightful, +1 informative, -1 troll, -1 misleading, etc.
That way you can, for example, set in your user preferences to ignore positive votes for comedy, and put extra value on informative votes.
Then, to keep people from spamming up/down votes and to encourage them to think about their choices, they only gave out a limited number of moderation points to readers. So you’d have to choose which comments to spend your 5 points on.
Then finally, they had ‘meta moderation’ where you’d be shown a comment, and asked “would a vote of insightful be appropriate for this comment” to catch people who down-voted out of disagreement or personal vandetta. Any users who regularly mis-voted would stop receiving the ability to vote.
I don’t think this is directly applicable to a federated system, but I do think it’s one of the best-thought-out voting systems ever created for a discussion board.
edit: a couple other points i liked about it:
Comments were capped at (iirc) +5 and -1. Further votes wouldn’t change the comment’s score.
User karma wasn’t shown. The user page would just say Karma: good. Or Excellent, or poor, or some other vague term.
Wow, that is pretty fascinating.
This seems like a great system.
I really hate all the reddit awards. I didn’t even know they exist until I opened the steve huffman ama in new reddit, and it had about a million awards that were all a different (moving/sparkling) emoji. Facebook has those too, all the little icons for like, haha, sad, heart etc. I find that stuff really distracting to look at and it’s one of many reasons i refuse to use facebook, or reddit’s official website & app.
Something like you’re describing sounds like it would work really well though, especially if there were just maybe different colours or something for the upvote/downvote type, instead of space-wasting icons and images.Yeah, their layout is dated, but the scoring system doesn’t take much room (once you accept the idea that a reply can have a subject line):
That’s so dreamy that I created a feature request post linking to your comment. (I also did an @ you but not sure I did that right.)
I wouldn’t expect the same behaviour/rules/culture in a shit posting community compared to an arch linux community
What’s the difference?
I use Arch btw
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Me too!
Those were just two random examples. It would depend on whatever rules/guidelines each community owner makes.
Basically each community can have their own rules.
- Some communities may allow swearing and some may not
- Some may allow 18+ content and some may not
- etc.
Username checks out.
Are you sure you liked Reddit?
This has been my internal dialog for a while now.
That’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it, but nothing will kill adoption rates harder than doing the whole early Mastodon thing of “you should change how you behave here”
I believe the response you’re looking for is “Well that’s, like, your opinion… man”
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sorry, couldn’t resist
Should’ve thought of that one myself, nice
Don’t worry! We’ll develop our own new inside jokes to repeat and nauseum!
EDIT: I realized, 4 hours later, than auto-correct had changed “ad” to “and”. I’m leaving it as it makes this comment even more obnoxious.
first new inside joke: and nauseam 💀
And my ax!
Couldn’t help it, sorry
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…With blackjack and hookers!
Agreed, it’s gonna get so annoying hearing these jokes and nauseam though.
yeah but it’s charming when we do it
This!!!1111one
God that felt awful to type
Lemmy will likely have its own “the narwhal bacons at midnight” phase.
It’ll interesting to see what it is…and then almost immediately tiresome.
do you remember when they tried to make Millhouse a meme
Wasn’t Millhouse was a meme before reddit was a thing? Pretty sure I saw Millhouse memes on 4chan back in the day.
Definitely from the 4chan way-back.
I think that stuff like that developed when the userbase was pretty young. Don’t think something like that will happen again.
At least I hope not…
It’s a free society here, if Lemmy really takes off its most likely going to happen and you’re free to partake in the joke or not.
Lemmy is here to serve all, I imagine some hard boundaries around illegal content will be put in place though.
De-federation can happen for that sort of scenario
Well I’m certainly not above low effort shitposting.
That legal/illegal thing is going to be tricky to figure out. What’s illegal exactly in a global federated social network? Whose law applies?
The instance’s hosting country’s law applies to the instance and the communities it hosts.
Displaying illegal content from the fediverse is fine?
Its a bit complicated. EFF has a good post from a US perspective https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/12/user-generated-content-and-fediverse-legal-primer . My understanding for US instances (and IANAL), is that if you have a TOS banning illegal content, register for a DMCA agent, and remove illegal content in a reasonably fast timeframe when you have knowledge of it, and ban repeat offenders, you should be okay.
For me, that was part of the charm.
I could still find the information I needed when it was a serious query, and I could still find sound and sensitive viewpoints on many topics. But, opening a horrible post just to see a horribly distasteful comment as the first response just kept reminding me not to take life so seriously.
I’m fine with a horribly distasteful comment, but for the love of God make it a unique horribly distasteful comment.
I also pick this guys dead wife
@bizzwell some subreddits did have some dedicated flairs which required everyone to be serious (at the cost of being banned) - but this required the OP to deliberately think about posting the stuff under the right flair.
Maybe this could be also easily enforced here by asking people to append
[]at the beginning of each relevant post, on the title or content?Same. I like it, but it belongs in more shitposty communities IMO. I like a small percentage of my feed to be shitposts, and when I dig into it it’s just people repeating twists on the same stupid jokes.
Sometimes it’s actually clever, a lot of the time it’s just people wanting reassurance they belong.
It’s annoying when it overflows and floods everywhere with the exact same joke (like Google en passant). In r/anarchychess they were constantly workshopping new jokes, because it definitely got old
