Idk man… I feel like if I pay ~$40 for a digital item… I should have the same rights with it as the physical copy.
If a digital market place sells me the item… I should be able to return to that market place and redownload it.
Basically once they sell it… they are obligated to host the files.
Or as an alternative … I get 1 download of a drm free product. And everything after that is rebuy.
This sell it for $40 and then it’s gone off your game system or out of your account I think is shit business practice.
Streaming services can do what they want with their content… because you’re paying x money a month to access it… that’s the assumed behavior.
Digital products advertised as “buy it on digital” should behave as items purchased and owned by the end user.
I feel like if I pay ~$40 for a digital item… I should have the same rights with it as the physical copy.
That’s the whole problem - you don’t. Your feelings are irrelevant. If you want that, you need to demand it, and refuse to do business with those who will not provide it. Of course they won’t, so just stop buying digital copies, keep physical media alive.
If you can’t find one then skip the game or accept the fact that you might lose access to it. That’s the way the creator decided their game would be distributed, if you disagree you’re treating them as slaves by getting the fruit of their labour without compensating them and without their agreement.
If you disagree with the original terms, i.e. the game is available on a platform with DRM, then just don’t get it and completion to the devs. Our pirate it but don’t pretend that you’re morally right to do it.
Nah. DRM in its current version is morally wrong. Circumventing it is perfectly fine. It’s essentially an industry wide price collusion, which I’ll note is illegal, but will never be broken up because the US antitrust agencies have been hollowed out to nothing.
In the same vein, if an employer refuses to pay you for time worked, your chances of recovering that pay is slim. In that circumstance, I would say taking the amount you are owed from the till is perfectly fine, morally. You would probably disagree, because you’re a boot licker and believe that whatever the law says is morally good. I understand the concept in abstract, but I will fundamentally never be able to put myself in the head space of someone like you.
Dude, in this example you’re the employer stealing from the worker!
The only thing wrong here is people that are unable to admit that what they’re doing has consequences on the people who created the media they’re pirating and using mental gymnastic like I’ve never seen before to justify their choice and to feel morally justified to do it.
Separate example. Ignore everything else we’ve been talking about. I’m trying to illustrate where you stand on morality.
Would it be wrong to steal from the till?
I suspect you’d say yes, which means we have fundamental, irreconcilable differences in how we view the entire concept of morality. Which then, relating back to piracy, means we will never see eye to eye because we disagree about the most fundamental aspects of the argument.
There is if it’s information that’s for sale by its creator and what you’re doing is copying it therefore keeping them from profiting from their work.
Some people do projects out of passion and let people do what they want with their creations, others create to make a living and by not paying them you’re preventing them from doing so.
Idk man… I feel like if I pay ~$40 for a digital item… I should have the same rights with it as the physical copy.
If a digital market place sells me the item… I should be able to return to that market place and redownload it. Basically once they sell it… they are obligated to host the files.
Or as an alternative … I get 1 download of a drm free product. And everything after that is rebuy.
This sell it for $40 and then it’s gone off your game system or out of your account I think is shit business practice.
Streaming services can do what they want with their content… because you’re paying x money a month to access it… that’s the assumed behavior. Digital products advertised as “buy it on digital” should behave as items purchased and owned by the end user.
Maybe that’s just me being pro consumer…
That’s the whole problem - you don’t. Your feelings are irrelevant. If you want that, you need to demand it, and refuse to do business with those who will not provide it. Of course they won’t, so just stop buying digital copies, keep physical media alive.
That’s the only way forward honestly.
We have to return to physical media. Tho I fear it’s too late.
If you want the same rights then buy a DRM free version.
Good luck finding one
If you can’t find one then skip the game or accept the fact that you might lose access to it. That’s the way the creator decided their game would be distributed, if you disagree you’re treating them as slaves by getting the fruit of their labour without compensating them and without their agreement.
If you disagree with the original terms, i.e. the game is available on a platform with DRM, then just don’t get it and completion to the devs. Our pirate it but don’t pretend that you’re morally right to do it.
Nah. DRM in its current version is morally wrong. Circumventing it is perfectly fine. It’s essentially an industry wide price collusion, which I’ll note is illegal, but will never be broken up because the US antitrust agencies have been hollowed out to nothing.
In the same vein, if an employer refuses to pay you for time worked, your chances of recovering that pay is slim. In that circumstance, I would say taking the amount you are owed from the till is perfectly fine, morally. You would probably disagree, because you’re a boot licker and believe that whatever the law says is morally good. I understand the concept in abstract, but I will fundamentally never be able to put myself in the head space of someone like you.
Dude, in this example you’re the employer stealing from the worker!
The only thing wrong here is people that are unable to admit that what they’re doing has consequences on the people who created the media they’re pirating and using mental gymnastic like I’ve never seen before to justify their choice and to feel morally justified to do it.
Separate example. Ignore everything else we’ve been talking about. I’m trying to illustrate where you stand on morality.
Would it be wrong to steal from the till?
I suspect you’d say yes, which means we have fundamental, irreconcilable differences in how we view the entire concept of morality. Which then, relating back to piracy, means we will never see eye to eye because we disagree about the most fundamental aspects of the argument.
there is nothing immoral with letting someone share information with you.
There is if it’s information that’s for sale by its creator and what you’re doing is copying it therefore keeping them from profiting from their work.
Some people do projects out of passion and let people do what they want with their creations, others create to make a living and by not paying them you’re preventing them from doing so.
they can sell it to anyone who wants to buy it. I am not preventing them at all