Setting aside for a second how dumb this shit is, the design has some very questionable decisions.
First I couldn’t care less about the “man” and “woman” signs, they’re linked, and gold, which I assume is some reference to marriage? I’ve never understood the symbology of those symbols. I think they’re tacky and archaic. I don’t inherently have an issue with their use in the design. My main issues with the design are with the colors. That’s not a super great shade of blue or pink. On top of that, the “man” symbol is almost entirely on the pink side, and the woman symbol is almost entirely on the blue side.
Additionally, representing a boy as blue and girl as pink is pretty questionable as well. I would have expected something like this in the 80’s or 90’s, but today? What? It’s just strange.
Why a slash? Why is it going from top left to bottom right? I have to many questions. It’s like there was no thought in the brain of whomever put this together, and they didn’t ask anyone to review it before having it made.
Now, flipping the coin here, what exactly do straight people have to be proud of? I’m straight, and I don’t know. Is it pride in the decisions that we’ve made which facilitate the perpetration of humanity? Is humanity really something we should be proud of and continue to perpetuate? We’ve committed an untold number of unspeakable horrors to eachother, animals, and nature. Are we perpetuating the species so we can continue to rape and kill the planet and eachother? Either figuratively or literally? Don’t get me wrong, humans have achieved some remarkable things despite our obvious issues; but still, does any of that outweigh the horrors we’ve inflicted? I’m not so sure that perpetuating humanity is anything to be proud of.
Are we proud of our heritage? Our lineage? The long genetic lines of aforementioned horrible people? Who enslaved others and called it progress? Who committed all those previously mentioned terrible things?
So historical pride is questionable, and pride of purpose is questionable… What’s left? Just being proud of who you are? Pride in being a human who is straight? What for?
I don’t understand. I have no pride for who I am naturally, and who I am attracted to. I have no pride in the things my race, gender, or sexual orientation has done. The straights have been responsible for pretty much all the pain and suffering of everyone who is “deviant”.
I think people like this believe that non-straight folks have an agenda to make straight folks* feel ashamed of being straight. As in - if you’re proud of being gay, that means you must think being not-gay is a bad thing. And so they feel attacked. It’s so brainless and reactionary.
* Or white, or Christian, or insert whatever not-really-persecuted-but-thinks-they-are group here
My theory is that they are not actually straight. They actively decided to be straight against their true interests due to social pressures. They in turn feel that sexual preference for everybody is an active decision. Due to their constant battle with that they feel some level of acknowledgement is in order for them similar to the lgbtq community. Those people chose to be gay and get pride parades while I chose to be straight and get nothing energy.
Yeah I think that is the bottom line. I am straight as a ruler and absolutely do not give a flying fuck who has sex with who, it’s not my business and I cannot imagine being threatened by it, as long as it’s not me why would I care? If you are threatened by the existence of people who love other people there is something deeply wrong.
Pride is literally one of the seven deadly sins, I’d think Christians would want to avoid it.
On the flag design, I think it makes sense, designed by straight guys and looks like it was designed by straight guys. People would get suspicious if it looked fabulous. I do actually kinda like those symbols - they are old, from the 1700s, used originally for describing plants so there is one for hermaphrodite as well. One of my kids is a geneticist and their charts use a triangle for men & circle for women, the arrow and cross ones are better designs IMO.
Fundamentally, we agree. Today we have reached the deepest pit of cringe.
But your initial criticism of the design undercuts what might’ve been the only progressive aspect of the design: the fact that the male is on the pink side upsets foundational sexism: guys can be pink, and girls can be blue.
We do, however, need to remind some of the less intellectually developed people that black lives, do indeed, matter. Which they do, they always have, and always will. While this is a subset of everyone’s life mattering, it does not and should not imply that the lives of non-black persons do not matter, it should only serve as a reminder that black lives do matter.
The problem is that people get so fragile about being left out that excluding them from a movement because nobody ever needed reminding that their lives “matter”, causes them to get offended that someone else is getting special attention that they do not deserve, and have no right to impose themselves upon. Saying “all lives matter” in response to the BLM movement is, in my mind, a form of what aboutisms which is toxic and diminishes the point of BLM. It’s ignorant and short sighted.
So, I have a few issues with the design.
Setting aside for a second how dumb this shit is, the design has some very questionable decisions.
First I couldn’t care less about the “man” and “woman” signs, they’re linked, and gold, which I assume is some reference to marriage? I’ve never understood the symbology of those symbols. I think they’re tacky and archaic. I don’t inherently have an issue with their use in the design. My main issues with the design are with the colors. That’s not a super great shade of blue or pink. On top of that, the “man” symbol is almost entirely on the pink side, and the woman symbol is almost entirely on the blue side. Additionally, representing a boy as blue and girl as pink is pretty questionable as well. I would have expected something like this in the 80’s or 90’s, but today? What? It’s just strange.
Why a slash? Why is it going from top left to bottom right? I have to many questions. It’s like there was no thought in the brain of whomever put this together, and they didn’t ask anyone to review it before having it made.
Now, flipping the coin here, what exactly do straight people have to be proud of? I’m straight, and I don’t know. Is it pride in the decisions that we’ve made which facilitate the perpetration of humanity? Is humanity really something we should be proud of and continue to perpetuate? We’ve committed an untold number of unspeakable horrors to eachother, animals, and nature. Are we perpetuating the species so we can continue to rape and kill the planet and eachother? Either figuratively or literally? Don’t get me wrong, humans have achieved some remarkable things despite our obvious issues; but still, does any of that outweigh the horrors we’ve inflicted? I’m not so sure that perpetuating humanity is anything to be proud of.
Are we proud of our heritage? Our lineage? The long genetic lines of aforementioned horrible people? Who enslaved others and called it progress? Who committed all those previously mentioned terrible things?
So historical pride is questionable, and pride of purpose is questionable… What’s left? Just being proud of who you are? Pride in being a human who is straight? What for?
I don’t understand. I have no pride for who I am naturally, and who I am attracted to. I have no pride in the things my race, gender, or sexual orientation has done. The straights have been responsible for pretty much all the pain and suffering of everyone who is “deviant”.
I don’t know why anyone would be proud of that.
I think people like this believe that non-straight folks have an agenda to make straight folks* feel ashamed of being straight. As in - if you’re proud of being gay, that means you must think being not-gay is a bad thing. And so they feel attacked. It’s so brainless and reactionary.
* Or white, or Christian, or insert whatever not-really-persecuted-but-thinks-they-are group here
Imagine being so fragile and insecure that when someone else expresses pride in themselves, you feel threatened.
My theory is that they are not actually straight. They actively decided to be straight against their true interests due to social pressures. They in turn feel that sexual preference for everybody is an active decision. Due to their constant battle with that they feel some level of acknowledgement is in order for them similar to the lgbtq community. Those people chose to be gay and get pride parades while I chose to be straight and get nothing energy.
Yeah I think that is the bottom line. I am straight as a ruler and absolutely do not give a flying fuck who has sex with who, it’s not my business and I cannot imagine being threatened by it, as long as it’s not me why would I care? If you are threatened by the existence of people who love other people there is something deeply wrong.
Pride is literally one of the seven deadly sins, I’d think Christians would want to avoid it.
On the flag design, I think it makes sense, designed by straight guys and looks like it was designed by straight guys. People would get suspicious if it looked fabulous. I do actually kinda like those symbols - they are old, from the 1700s, used originally for describing plants so there is one for hermaphrodite as well. One of my kids is a geneticist and their charts use a triangle for men & circle for women, the arrow and cross ones are better designs IMO.
Fundamentally, we agree. Today we have reached the deepest pit of cringe.
But your initial criticism of the design undercuts what might’ve been the only progressive aspect of the design: the fact that the male is on the pink side upsets foundational sexism: guys can be pink, and girls can be blue.
I bet these are the same people that say “All lives matter” or “white lives matter”.
To be blunt:
We do, however, need to remind some of the less intellectually developed people that black lives, do indeed, matter. Which they do, they always have, and always will. While this is a subset of everyone’s life mattering, it does not and should not imply that the lives of non-black persons do not matter, it should only serve as a reminder that black lives do matter.
The problem is that people get so fragile about being left out that excluding them from a movement because nobody ever needed reminding that their lives “matter”, causes them to get offended that someone else is getting special attention that they do not deserve, and have no right to impose themselves upon. Saying “all lives matter” in response to the BLM movement is, in my mind, a form of what aboutisms which is toxic and diminishes the point of BLM. It’s ignorant and short sighted.