I thought I understood, but I still have Beehaw content in my feed, so I guess I don’t understand after all… Can someone dumb it down for me?

  • Andreas@feddit.dk
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    Their reasons are much more selfish than that. They insist on only having 4 moderators while never scaling up, and they don’t like how federation allows users from other instances to post on their instance because it disrupts their rigid ideal community vibe. According to their suggestions on “improving moderation tooling”, the ideal federation setup is that their users can post on other instances, but other instances’ users can’t post on theirs, so they can save time on moderation work. The moderation work of other instance admins for their users doesn’t matter, clearly.

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      Isn’t this like… the whole point of the Federated Universe? The mods do Beehaw want their server to be a “safe space”. They’re perfectly within their rights to restrict who can post in their own community. But you, the user, are not in any way beholden to their whims, and can make an account on any other Lemmy instance, or create your own and make it as restricted or unrestricted as you please.

      It seems logical to me that the creators of a safe space for marginalized communities would restrict their community from the internet at large because people on the Internet feel emboldened by anonymity to attack others.

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        Yes, the point of the Fediverse is that everyone is free to associate with groups they choose. There is nothing wrong with creating instances that are very isolated. What Beehaw wants with the “improving moderation tooling”, however, is a safe space where the network is restricted from them, but they still have full access to the rest of the network. That suggestion is what I was calling selfish, because this way their users would be parasiting off the content and moderation of other instances while giving nothing back.

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          I wouldn’t call it selfish. They want tools for more granular control on their instance. That’s perfectly fine. If they limit who can post or comment based on the instance they are from. The other instances are perfectly free to limit their users as well in response or for their own arbitrary reasons.

          There seems to be a distinct lack of controls across lemmy as a whole. The only option for them is all or nothing at the moment.

          I think the big take away is for users to think about what instance they create their accounts and communities on.

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            Ya I think a big part of the pushback is that I think a lot of people chose their “home” instance based on the guidance provided by the instance admins and then lost access to a lot of the network because of other decisions made by those same admins

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          I still don’t see how this is not in line with the ideals and values of the Fediverse. If other instances don’t want to take on the extra moderation you are referring to, they can simplify defederate from Beehaw, too.

          Every instance can do whatever it wants, and if other instances don’t like that then they can both go their own ways.

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      I read their post explaining the decision, but it seems like it is at odds with itself. If your goal is to create a safe space, why are you using a federated service? I understand you have the option to defederate, but at that point why didn’t you just setup a standalone message board. It just feels that their use case doesn’t fit the system.

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      The community vibe is definitely a huge motivation. They want to be able to control the sort of people on their instance which they can’t do if the mass user bases from lemmy.world etc. that are (relatively) neutral have access. It’s a shame because they had some good communities established.

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        Yeah, I don’t believe for one second that those 4 admins have actually, meaningfully, personally vetted 11,000+ users. People have posted (sorry, I dont have the link) here that they just filled the “application” out with nonsense and still got approved.

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          Yeah, I don’t believe for one second that those 4 admins have actually, meaningfully, personally vetted 11,000+ users.

          So, if they are struggling the moderate a community with 11,000+ users, it would make sense for them to limit an even large number of external users for the time being until they feel they have things better in control, correct?

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            That’s not what I’m commenting on, but yeah, naturally. It’s their instance, they can do what they want.