Okay well then where’s the problem? If there’s no point in trying to fight climate change while capitalism exists, then end capitalism. I don’t understand where we disagree.
Oh shit, I forgot I have this magical capitalism destroying sword laying around. Let me just cut capitalism in half real quick (the long way so it’s harder to put back together) and then we can get back to eating all the pets like Marx intended.
“We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. Resistance and change often begin in art, and very often in our art, the art of words.”
You are utterly powerless to stop this, even at your most self actualized, mobile, and focused you are fundamentally incapable of changing what needs to be changed.
There really isn’t hope, people who think there is unfortunately don’t understand how the universe works. Your attitude towards the end is irrelevant ( unfortunately ) and we are surely on our way towards extinction.
You are utterly powerless to stop this, even at your most self actualized, mobile, and focused you are fundamentally incapable of changing what needs to be changed.
This is flat out wrong.
You’re missing the point, because your scale is off. I’m not trying to change the planet. I’m trying to change my city and neighborhood. I’m not trying to hold back the tides. I’m trying to teach the next generation the resiliency to survive a long road to something better.
Those goals are totally in my reach. I can’t save billions, but I can definitely save dozens. Perhaps hundreds over the next century. And if enough of us do that, collectively we CAN save billions.
We don’t have a century, we barely have decades, your scale is off, and honestly I don’t want to be right, it would be amazing to be wrong about this, but I feel like I know with absolute certainty that we’ve really just got a few decades max before the planet is unrecognizable in significant ways you are probably thinking won’t happen until centuries.
It’ll be too hot for roads, solar panels, and conventional air flight much sooner than people realize. The first springs that trees fail to reproduce will honestly probably not be noticed, it won’t happen everywhere, all at once, but eventually the lifecycle of much of the plant life will be so misaligned that you’ll see the failures of entire areas of plant life, but by that point too, you’ll probably be more aware of how silent it is outside except for cars.
We’re already at the point that localized heatwaves are killing a huge, like unimaginably huge amount of land animals, and ocean acidification is preventing shelled creatures from forming or maintaining shells, all while coral reefs bleach, and fish die off due to changes in oxygenation.
I wish this sobering reality wasn’t happening right now, but it is.
I am absolutely insinuating that yes, when it comes to the biosphere and climate change the situation is irreversible and catastrophic and the level of certainty I have is unshakeable.
Okay well then where’s the problem? If there’s no point in trying to fight climate change while capitalism exists, then end capitalism. I don’t understand where we disagree.
Oh shit, I forgot I have this magical capitalism destroying sword laying around. Let me just cut capitalism in half real quick (the long way so it’s harder to put back together) and then we can get back to eating all the pets like Marx intended.
― Ursula K. Le Guin
Is it like the magical feudalism destroying sword?
It’s very much like that. Few have the strength to wield it and they are often derided as psychopaths by their peers and those in power
You are utterly powerless to stop this, even at your most self actualized, mobile, and focused you are fundamentally incapable of changing what needs to be changed.
There really isn’t hope, people who think there is unfortunately don’t understand how the universe works. Your attitude towards the end is irrelevant ( unfortunately ) and we are surely on our way towards extinction.
This is flat out wrong.
You’re missing the point, because your scale is off. I’m not trying to change the planet. I’m trying to change my city and neighborhood. I’m not trying to hold back the tides. I’m trying to teach the next generation the resiliency to survive a long road to something better.
Those goals are totally in my reach. I can’t save billions, but I can definitely save dozens. Perhaps hundreds over the next century. And if enough of us do that, collectively we CAN save billions.
We don’t have a century, we barely have decades, your scale is off, and honestly I don’t want to be right, it would be amazing to be wrong about this, but I feel like I know with absolute certainty that we’ve really just got a few decades max before the planet is unrecognizable in significant ways you are probably thinking won’t happen until centuries.
It’ll be too hot for roads, solar panels, and conventional air flight much sooner than people realize. The first springs that trees fail to reproduce will honestly probably not be noticed, it won’t happen everywhere, all at once, but eventually the lifecycle of much of the plant life will be so misaligned that you’ll see the failures of entire areas of plant life, but by that point too, you’ll probably be more aware of how silent it is outside except for cars.
We’re already at the point that localized heatwaves are killing a huge, like unimaginably huge amount of land animals, and ocean acidification is preventing shelled creatures from forming or maintaining shells, all while coral reefs bleach, and fish die off due to changes in oxygenation.
I wish this sobering reality wasn’t happening right now, but it is.
But you do? Right.
I am absolutely insinuating that yes, when it comes to the biosphere and climate change the situation is irreversible and catastrophic and the level of certainty I have is unshakeable.