NoneOfUrBusiness

They live in the Emirates so life must be very restricted for her.

As a Middle Eastern guy with stereotype-level knowledge about the Emirates, I don’t think so. Even if Islam demanded women be restricted in their lives (it doesn’t) Emirates is very famous as an “only Muslim on the cover” country. Now we can’t really guess anything about her life, but whatever she wants to do, it won’t be the country stopping her.

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Amazing.

someone was just tellin me that pamela lost because she did not stand behind lina khan enough.

I mean that’s definitely part of it. Lina Khan was one of the best parts of the Biden administration, so if Harris won’t even promise that then she wasn’t just a status quo candidate; she was a status quo but worse candidate.

Only if you don’t understand the nuance of the word “jailed” here.

I guess it’s “nice” to confirm that they’re still killing Palestinians at random.

Oh it’s the Magic The Gathering woman. It was a pleasant time forgetting she existed.

The short of it is that “things are going fine” messaging doesn’t work when things decidedly aren’t going fine. When asked about the economy she said she wouldn’t do much different from Biden. And yet she wouldn’t even confirm or deny when asked whether she would keep Lina Khan. The DNC’s messaging screamed "we’re dishonest corporate stooges who won’t give straight answers ", because they are and also incompetent. In the dismal state of the American economy today do you think that would get votes?

Doesn’t matter; she’s still getting imprisoned for exercising her right to free speech.

Abstaining gave Trump the presidency. Abstaining for what reason varies, but Gaza was clearly an issue for some to stay home.

Yes, and I’m saying that Gaza wasn’t an issue for enough people to matter. Harris needed Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan to win, and while I can see pro-Palestinian votes swinging Michigan I simply doubt there were enough of them in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to matter. If you think otherwise, then you have more faith in the American people than me I guess.

Okay my man look at the margins. The anti-genocide people could’ve all voted and it wouldn’t have flipped a single state outside of Michigan. And the thing is: Harris lost before Michigan even finished counting. So yeah, you’re barking up the wrong tree here.

She lost before Michigan finished counting. She could’ve won Michigan and she would still lost. Source: Subtract 15 from Trump’s EC votes.

Huh? Okay you’ll need to provide some evidence if you’re saying it’s anything as neocolonial as what France is doing to these countries.

The same cannot be said for say Russia or China.

How so? Russia doesn’t really have global ambitions anymore, but China is invested in seeing a larger global middle class and a weaker Western neocolonial hold over Africa. This can and has lead to positive developments.

I mean okay. That’s kind of not how people work. You can hate it, but it’s just not how people work. I thought y’all had learned that by now.

You’re wrong that it didn’t impact the outcome. MI flipped to Trump directly because of the uncommitted movement.

I mean maybe (I haven’t seen the turnout numbers as opposed to protest/non-voters) but the point is that Harris lost before Michigan even finished counting. She could’ve won Michigan and she still wasn’t winning this, is the point.

Low turn out also directly impacted the results. PA is a different story, but low turn out was true there, too

I mean yeah, because the DNC pushed an unelectable candidate whose position was a mix of “nothing will fundamentally change”, wishy washy non-promises and right wing positions. I doubt even 10% of the 15 million in reduced turnout came from Uncommitted and similar movements. The DNC blew it; it’s that simple.

Before I start let me note that in the end this particular group of people didn’t affect the election. Harris is on the way to losing all swing states. Her failure is much deeper than Gaza policy. Blaming anti-genocide voters for this is just copium.

With that out of the way, you can divide people with this position into two groups: Arab Americans and everyone else. Arab Americans are people who are feeling the genocide firsthand. So, obviously, they tried to appeal to the Harris campaign and get them to move from Biden’s position on the topic. The result: They were either ignored or antagonized by Harris. That led to the abandon Harris campaign in Michigan and elsewhere. Harris considered those people acceptable casualties in her failure of a campaign, and so they were burnt out and the momentum behind the Uncommitted movement and others turned from “let’s save our Palestinian brothers” to “fuck us and Palestine (because let’s face it, that’s basically what Harris was saying)? Then fuck you too”. Harris thew them under the bus and was thrown under the bus in turn. Maybe not very logical, but a very predictable reaction. Harris treated Arab Americans with just that much contempt, and then she and her enablers had the gall to tell the people attending a funeral every other day to “shut up and vote for her”.

Now as for everyone else, it’s a more simple instance of taking a stand against a politician for doing something you cannot accept. Now there is a pragmatic idea here that if you allow the DNC to get away with this they’ll think supporting genocide actually wins elections, or that their electorate are such pussies that it doesn’t matter what they think. Add in the goal of pressuring Harris to drop that policy that was important at the start of the Harris campaign and of course the idea of not wanting to vote for genocide and this was the result.

Of course it’s not all 100% logical, but there is logic here beyond “omg bad guy I no vote”.

Well that’s not foreboding at all.

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Can I hire you to write my sarcasm for me? Pay’s in thoughts and prayers.

I mean allied victory was impossible without the lend lease, among other American support. That’s just a fact.