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  • But it does.
    Example: You’re on lemmy.world. Let’s say lemmy.world defederates lemmy.ml today.

    Now you won’t be able to see any new posts made by users of lemmy.ml, be it on lemmy.ml itself or on any other instance. You will still see everything that was posted up until the defederation though because defederation just means that your instance won’t request new copies of the content of lemmy.ml .
    And they also can’t post stuff on comunities of lemmy.world(I believe they technically could do that, just that nobody could see it, but it may be that by now it’s entirely blocked to even make a post there).

    Now as long as lemmy.ml doesn’t defederate lemmy.world too, their users will still be able to see your comments and may also reply to your comments on other instances, but you won’t see that.

    So defederation mainly serves two purposes for the users of the instance that defederates another instance:

    1. Their users won’t see any content from comunities of those instances in their “all” feed and also won’t see any posts from users of that instance in the comment sections of any comunity of any instance.
    2. Users of those instance won’t be able to post on their instance.



  • Taxxor@lemm.eetoMemes@lemmy.mlI hereby name thee Chaosbringer
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    1 year ago

    Not what I said, but okay…

    So you think that being a nazi automatically means that every view you have on anything is bad by default or that you are not able to participate in any normal conversations that don’t touch that topic, like technology or gaming, without writing racist stuff?
    Because that would be the only reason defederation would be justified in my eyes.
    In any other case, just don’t visit their home instance.


  • Taxxor@lemm.eetoMemes@lemmy.mlI hereby name thee Chaosbringer
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    1 year ago

    If a bunch of nazis want to run a server and post racist shit all day we can’t stop them. But we can (and should) defederate from them. They can have their own private island.

    And what if they post racist shit all day on their own instance but also post normal and helpful stuff on communities of other instances? Just don’t visit their communities, that’s it. No need to block potentially helpful posts of members of that instance everywhere.
    The same thing when there’s a NSFW and your own instance doesn’t want to see NSFW stuff. That’s fine but it’s not like the users of that NSFW instance are running around posting porn on every other community.

    If some of them do, block the users. But there’s no reason defederating the whole instance because those users can and do also participate just fine in other topics that have nothing to do with NSFW or nazi stuff.

    For example why should a programmer that has a nazi instance as his home not be allowed to post memes in a community about programming humour from a regular instance, when he doesn’t post anything there that is in any way related to him being a nazi?


  • we’ve been blocked by precisely one actual instance - the predominantly German-speaking feddit.de

    Which also was my first home instance until I noticed that a comment chain I accidentaly started using another lemmy instance was not visible when looking at the thread though feddit. Not even my own comments made with an instance that wasn’t blocked. Turns out the user I answered to start that chain was a member of your instance and thus the comment and everything following it was not visible for feddit users.

    Which is why I’m a full time lemm.ee user for now bc at the time it had 0 blocked instances and was blocked by 0 too^^

    and most importantly, the admins here have explicitly stated that the policy is to avoid defederation at all possible avenues.

    That’s the policy of lemm.ee too. It has 34 blocked instances right now but those are all suspicious ones that formed and got >30K users within a couple hours and no activity at all.

    But ultimately, new users shouldn’t have to worry about such things, which is why I can’t see Lemmy growing as a whole with the tools available now.
    Everywhere it says it’s not relevant where you sign up because you can see all the stuff from other instances anyway, but that’s simply not true, it DOES matter where you sign up and even after that you could be forced to change your instance when the defederation roulette starts spinning again.

    and most importantly, the admins here have explicitly stated that the policy is to avoid defederation at all possible avenues.



  • The way I always viewed those up- and downvotes was as a quicker way of commenting with “I like/agree with this” or “I don’t like/agree with this” and that would be there for everyone to see too, so why shouldn’t that be true for upvotes?

    Though it’s bad design that you can’t see this info on lemmy but you can see the info about lemmy users on kbin. Either have lemmy show that info too or limit the info on kbin to up/downvotes from kbin users only.




  • It is, only that on reddit you had the possibility of one r/video and one r/videos but here you have the possibility of 20+ different c/video and 20+ different c/videos so it’ll take much longer to form a main community and then you have the chance of an instance suddenly disappearing for whatever reason and then the whole process starts again.



  • Taxxor@lemm.eetoLemmy.World Announcements@lemmy.worldsafe space
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    And had you been on an instance that was defederated you’d have to create another account to acces their community, just like a separate forum, which I exaplained in the other post would be the better choice.
    Because it doesn’t make sense to have that kind of manual approval registration system aimed to only have specific users in the community that share their values, so they clearly want to crontrol who can and cannot post there… and then being on a plattform where users can just join another instance or even create an instance for their own and then post what they want on beehaw and the only way to prevent this would be proactively blocking all other instances and working with a whitelist instead.