TokenBoomer

You seem a little too invested in disproving a “conspiracy theory.” Why?

Trump. Campaign. Met with Russians. Interference. You think they met for coffee?

That is true . Also, Putin is- busy.

Of course it matters. Trump is a candidate in the 2024 Presidential election.

Thanks. The Nation article concerns the Russian disinformation campaign in 2016. Russia’s involvement was always going to be difficult to calculate. It says nothing about Trump and his campaign’s ties and business dealings with Russian officials. You can say Russiagate didn’t happen all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts. Paul Manaforte owed money to Oleg Deripaksa. Manaforte admitted to giving voter polling data to Kilimnik. Michael Cohen pled guilty to lying about Trump Moscow tower. Russians](url) tried to hack state election systems.

Are you saying these things didn’t happen in our reality? Clinton’s campaign may have exaggerated the effectiveness of Russian interference. The Steele Dossier is an example of that. But to say there was no interference and that Trump and his team had no connections is pure disinformation.

Can you teach me how it was destroyed? By who? When?

Okay. It’s just that Trump and his connections to Russia are partially responsible for moving me far left. I learned of these connections before 2016. Not to say that they were all true. But there’s enough smoke there. So I wanted to learn why people voted for him. This lead me to authoritarian personality disorder, hierarchy and eventually capitalism. So it’s a little weird to see people dismissive of Trump’s ties. Mueller even said in the report that he should be prosecuted for obstruction if he wasn’t President.

I was under the impression that parts of it are true. That Paul Manaforte gave voter information to Russian officials. That Trump planned to build a hotel in Moscow. There were emails between Kushner and Russians. That there was a Trump tower meeting to remove sanctions. Did those things not happen?

Are you saying it didn’t happen?

I still believe in Russiagate. I’ll let PoppinKREAM of Reddit explain it better than I ever could. Don’t be gaslit into believing it didn’t happen.

I wonder why?

I may just be speaking for myself. But as a doomer, it motivates me. It may not for others. Most doomers I talk to have one goal- make fossil fuel companies pay. I find that inspiring. I believe collapse of society is inevitable due to capitalism and climate. More like a crumbling. It’s already started.

I think it’s the opposite. The more doomer we get, the more change is likely to happen.