holygon

Ah thank you for the explanation. Just got here 5 days ago, so some of the fediverse things still are a bit confusing to me. But no matter, nice to have it written up anyway, I think some of the sources are pretty good to confuse liberals about their beliefs, so hope people here can use them.

Oh really? That sucks. But if we’re blocked, how did @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca write in here through lemmy.ca? Did they just block us?

Alright since there is a claim here that you are cool with political opinions being voiced, I’m gonna assume that you mean this, and you’re not just saying so.

Now since you say that you are pro-left/socialist, I’m gonna assume that you are aware that the west/The US has lied in the past about other countries, and their atrocities? (Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.) Please follow me here, read, and then judge afterwards. I’m not asking you to believe me fully after a single post, I’m just gonna give you some articles from providers that you probably trust, and I’m going to let you form your own opinion afterward.

Tiananmen Square:

1. The Telegraph reports on WikiLeaks source, that there was no actual bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square. Read the entire thing, there is of course nuance. Link is through 12ft to get around paywall

2. The BBC admits to being wrong about a lot of their reporting. Quote: “There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square.”

3. Interview with one of the protest leaders of the Student Protest movement. He is still critical of the Chinese government. He says that there was no tanks in Tiananmen Square, and that it is dangerous to lie just to try to win.

Now these are just the sources that explain this. If you look far enough you will also find pictures of dead Chinese soldiers burned to a crisp, strung up by the neck. These pictures are hard to look at. But maybe you think that the protest was just. Okay. But please understand that even western media does not actually think there was a massacre in the Square.

I’m gonna let someone else handle The Holodomor, as I don’t have extensive western sources ready for this one, and I kinda have to get some things done. But understand that a lot of us here used to believe exactly what you do. Then we read a lot about the history of these places, and came to a different conclusion. We are not just people who love murderers in here, we have come to our conclusions through a lot of reading, and a lot of discussion. We are critical of the USSR, China, etc. but we try to be nuanced about this. We understand that a state over decades will do bad things, and we try to learn from this, and try to prevent it from happening again. But it is sometimes a little funny to pretend that we are much more extreme than we are IRL, because liberals are a little funny when they get mad. Sorry, but that’s the truth.