I don’t know… I feel brains are in short supply around Musk.

You can opt out of both, but automated cold calling is straight up illegal in the UK (and it’s a good thing it is).

Ok, then how about automated cold calling vs “live” cold calling?

I see what you mean. Perhaps cold calling would be a better example then, where it is illegal if it is automated.

In this context I meant that it was the same person doing a “normal” thing at such a scale that it becomes illegal. Scale absolutely is something that can turn something from legal to illegal.

Scale makes a difference, but it shouldn’t make a legal difference w.r.t. the legality of the activity.

What do you think the difference between normal internet traffic and a ddos attack is?

You can’t just use Capitalism to wash your hands of every amoral action. I mean… clearly you can, but you shouldn’t. The fact that fair compensation is impossible is literally the reason why ai is getting (rightfully) shit on by so many people. The fact that huge vc funded corporations went “yeah we needed a lot of data, but it would have cost us way too much to get it ethically so we just swiped it” is disgusting and the reason ai should be shut down. It’s so weird to me that so many anticapitalists have been enthralled by ai when they are made by huge companies that are profiting from work they stole… literally the capitalist wet dream. How exactly is that fighting against Capitalism?

At the end of the day, its Capitalism stealing work from artists, not the machine.

Fully agree on this… but since we live in a capitalist system and until we don’t anymore, it’s still wrong.

The images are made from scratch with techniques learned from the things it trained on.

With no input (in the almost totality of cases) from the artist. None of the artists agreed to have their work being used to train the machine and if their work is being used for that they deserve to be compensated.

Why do you feel you’re owed the work of people who have spent those years without compensating them or even asking for that matter? You do realise that is unsustainable right?

Are you being paid to do research and publish it?

I’m in your same position and fully agree. An UBI would be way better… but until that exists it’s not right that people make use of my work for their own profit.

Only the capitalists have access to creating stuff? You do know you can just put in the practice and get good right?

Lemmy is full of people that have never created anything of value frothing at the mouth because they aren’t entitled other people’s creations. I wonder how long it would take them to change their tune if they actually created something worthwhile but got none of the recognition for it if IP laws didn’t exist.

Yep, totally correct. History is totally not full of artists creating despite their genius not being recognised socially and economically and dying poor and isolated. Clearly, the only way to stimulate artists is monetary compensation.

For sure, if I’ve found my way here I’m sure loads of others will too.

I’m pretty much in the same boato but a lot of the communities just don’t have critical mass on lemmy yet :/